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RussCR5187's avatar

Is it also a citizen's right to use violence against a government that, while it may not be using unlawful force against its people, is knowingly using military grade psy-ops and other forms of non-violent coercion to inject an essentially untested "vaccine" that kills and disables millions of citizens? I think for the US the answer is provided by its Declaration of Independence:

"... whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends [i.e., unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness], it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

"... But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, IT IS THEIR DUTY, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

In my opinion, "throwing off" such Government includes "by any means necessary".

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Is there a right to civil disobedience? “Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience.” -- Howard Zinn, historian

Karlonius monk's avatar

Great post Matias. I love your cool headed analysis of governmentmental delusion. That's what we are seeing, isn't it? Delusion?

What interests me is why. Why are these and many other politicians afflicted by this form of delusion? It's not as though all politicians throughout the ages were this way. What is different now, that resulted in the near universal political push for totalitarian levels of control?

This drive or desire to control others to greater and greater degrees is ultimately a self defeating process because social, economic and political chaos usually results.

Why do leaders feel comfortable with the level of freedom their society's people have, and then at other times decide that the public shouldn't have those freedoms? I think that the reason boils down to the complexification of society, and the never ending need for governments to solve problems.

For example, many politicians feel climate change is a problem, and because they also believe that only they can solve the problem, they pass laws which take away some freedoms their people have. Maybe they take away a lot of freedoms, such as freedom of movement. This kind of "solution" never has the intended effect, however because it creates more problems in its wake. Maybe it creates an uprising which causes even more carbon to get burned, for example.

I think most politicians and "leaders" have no clue as to how complex systems work, yet they arrogantly assume that only they can manage these systems.

Complex systems are based on the freedoms of the individual not on a hierarchical social organization. There are no zoning and planning boards in the forest. The oak trees and maples find their place. No master mind was there directing it, planning it, controlling it. Forests self organize into complex systems which have continued for millennium. Humans are no different. We self organize naturally when we need to. Traffic circles are a good example, as opposed to the street light system. The traffic circle works much better because the people using it have the freedom to use their own judgement as opposed to being told what to do by the government's control technology we call the stoplight.

When complex societies are on the verge of collapse, the "leaders" feel as though they are losing control they work hard to get more control. If they succeed, they soon realize that even more control is needed.

You can see this process clearly when you reflect on how the hierarchicicly controlled corporate media has evolved it's censorship agenda over the past several years.

It's almost at the point where 1984 level control over free speech is in place. They are already arresting journalists, politicians, and everyday citizens for criticizing the top of the hierarchy.

With a high degree of control comes a high level of cost. This is the Achilles heel of all governments that go down the path of needing more and more control over society. The complexity, manpower, technology, and energy needed to run the CIA, NSA, "The Center" (this is the ministry of truth in the US, created out of the 2016 NDAA legislation), FBI, etc is great. It costs a lot, and before long governments go bankrupt trying to maintain their ever increasing need to control the populace.

Their currency loses it's purchasing power because of a flood of printed money needed to pay for the complexity. When no one can buy anything with the currency, the government workers stop coming to work and the government becomes impotant.

The collapse of the Soviet Union is a good example.

I predict that all of the governments pushing for more control, will either fail, or be replaced by those who see the "solutions" enacted by the previous leaders, as the problem and will undo what was done. Either that, or hyperinflation and a total societal collapse will happen.

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Karlonius monk's avatar

I used to think that, and I think it's true in some cases. Hillary Clinton, Obama, etc, are tools of the top, but most politicians are just deluded by propaganda and are mass formed imo.

Outsider's avatar

"Enlightenment" and the "West" - the Truth: https://t.me/MiddleNationChannel/871 - The West is incompatible with modernity.

Cynthia Ford's avatar

The First Amendment used to be almost holy in America. Before the American Civil Liberties Union was captured, it defended the rights of Neo-Nazis to march in Skokie, a suburb populated by Holocaust survivors. Unimaginably traumatic, and didn't end up happening, but that act, for a long time, became a check on everyone's political arrogance and desire to rule the world. Whenever something ignorant, or racist or politically insane and moronic went public, in terms of speech, we all said "You've got to let the Nazis march in Skokie." This was a tacit recognition of our own intellectual and emotional fallibility, that a deontological principle superseded our limited opinions and ambitions. This is a lost principle now, in our dark age.https://reason.com/2020/12/20/would-the-aclu-still-defend-nazis-right-to-march-in-skokie/

If what happened to the truckers in Canada, a protest of flags and horns and bouncy houses, is to be instituted all over the realm the globalists think is theirs for the taking, a charge of"sedition" for advocating nonviolence is not surprising, but is nonetheless chilling.

This is a great response. Makes me think of the probably apocryphal story about Thoreau and Emerson. Supposedly, after Thoreau was arrested for not paying his poll tax (I think it was), Emerson came to see him in jail. Emerson said "What are you doing in there Henry?", exasperated, and Thoreau , it is said, responded "What are you doing OUT THERE Ralph?"

Michael Kowalik's avatar

It is not good to have two or three politicians who speak out against tyranny; this is the perfect number the government needs to simultaneously legitimise tyranny, make freedom and human rights seem like a fringe theory, while giving the tyrannised opposition the illusion of representation. If you cannot have 50+ politicians on the side of humanity then it is better to have NONE, better to be oppressed without the illusion of representation. The kind of representation that is always bound to lose is an expression of the logic of dictatorship.

Miles's avatar

Good point. And your observation is accurate when viewing governments across the world. There are always a handful who speak up (to no avail), but they can be crushed by the ruling elites (at their own convenience and time of choosing). As a non-White, non-European, I have seen the destruction wrought by the elitists and support nationalistic governments that are composed of patriots. Let trade be the glue that binds relationships between nations.

Ben Hekster's avatar

Isn't this exactly the same thing they're doing in the U.S.? Prosecuting people for political crimes?

FreedomFighter's avatar

The United States, thanks in large part to the First Amendment, was always known as the bedrock of the "I might not agree with what you're saying, but will defend [to the death] your right to say it" mantra. The rights "given" to its citizens were agreed to be natural, or God-given, rights. Among those rights include the right to protest an oppressive government, and right to, if there is no resolution, overthrow that government. I would make the assumption that such rights are part of any elected, democratic government. van Meiijern is not guilty of sedition or any crime against his government. It is well past the time for citizens to shed their mass formation, apathy, etc. and re-gain control of their governments. The Dutch people would do well to remember that freedom lost is never restored.

Anna Maria Chmielewski's avatar

Thank you for your intelligent & thoughtful mind that gives voice to remind each one of us to use our own! Once more, you lend a keen understanding to summarize the situation into a meaty little nutshell for us to digest. I've enjoyed the comments also, almost as much as the content of the post itself.

Mattias Desmet's avatar

Yes, I also enjoy the comments on my page, very much. I rarely 'comment to the comments' as for the moment, I have so much on my plate that I barely find enough time to sleep a few hours each night. But on this occasion, I want to say that it makes me truly happy to observe the quality of the comments and conversations. To see how my writings lead to a thoughtful, polite and sincere exchange between human beings is the most precious return I can get for my work.

Anna Maria Chmielewski's avatar

Is there an English version of your book , Lacan's Logic of Subjectivity: a Walk on the Graph of Desire available?

Anna Maria Chmielewski's avatar

Thank you, Mattias, for taking a moment out of your busy schedule to reply to my comment. Once again, your eloquence & authenticity speak volumes of your truly remarkable voice of compelling & thought-provoking knowledge as well as a graceful heart. I am so very appreciative & honored to have been blessed to receive a moment of your mind! I believe that I would be riveted to my seat if I were ever blessed to hear you speak & experience your energy in person. I could imagine the connected flow of enlightenment & mutual understanding as an entire audience receives one who expertly articulates & shares their extraordinary mind, as you have for each of us who follow your work. Please take care of yourself so that the world can continue to hear your voice!

Thumbnail Green's avatar

Yes I feel a totalising blob forming that feel emotionally emboldened to stick to the blob as they think it offers safety not knowing it’s a cancer that will devour the host that is made entirely of blob.

Green Fields's avatar

Yes! Well said Mattias.

Thank you.

Joe Jarzabek's avatar

Excellent piece. It seems like dissent if not in favour of government policy is unlawful. You risk being called the fringe and/or a Nazi. As happened recently in the Canadian Parliament, Trudeau who accused truckers in their freedom convoy, becomes a Nazi embracer . Misinformation is opinion contrary to government policy . Government lies , coercion , censorship and cancelling one’s livelihood is the increasing norm. Not the true North strong and free but the new North Korea.

Outsider's avatar

Please don't insult north Korea with such a comparison that'd make Mussolini blush, let's also not forget that they actually saved us from the United Satans - World Harm Organization victory for their nefarious ongoing plans to use health in their arsenal against we the people.

Bifurcatio's avatar

I always enjoy the writing of Mattias Desmet, for the content of course, but his succinct, direct, and short way of getting all that needs to be said is much appreciated.

I feel that the time in Western civilization called the 'Enlightenment' should be renamed as the period of pre-Enlightenment. A true age of Enlightenment will come when a majority of folks have reached a worldview of 'Resonance' with Natural life, as Mattias writes about. A truly new age where logic, reason, and the material/mechanical worldview takes a back seat to Resonance.

As an aside: Henry David Thoreau was mentioned in this article. I've never had a negative view of this man, but somewhat of a dismissive view of him. He lived beside Walden's Pond on the property of Ralph Waldo Emerson, a man I have great reverence for for his depth of character. I had to take a break from reading his piece, "Self Reliance" years ago, as it jacked me up so much. I look at Thoreau sort of like a pet of Emerson's. Nothing I have ever read from Thoreau has moved me even slightly to the same degree as his landlord, Emerson.

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So many, many Abrahamic and modern day Jewish texts, article, and videos call for 'erasing the memory of Amelek from the face of the Earth'. So, not just one or two Jews.