It seems that Dr. Breggin doesn’t like my ‘Suicidal Society’ substack. Please find his comments here. Let me first and for all say this to him: let’s talk. It’s time to have a proper conversation. You might know what my ‘Suicidal Society’ article was about: the idea is gaining traction in public discourse that we would be better off if a major part of the population stopped to exist. Humans cause climate change; they are a virus proliferating on the surface of the earth. There is too many of them. Let’s start with eliminating the elderly through euthanasia – old people are costly and useless. We see how such ideas pop up more and more in the mainstream media.
No one is replying to me now. It was mainly only Skita before.
I have started to read the recommended book: "Rousseau himself had fled home at an early age, writing to his Swiss watchmaker father that he aspired to live ‘without the help of others’."
Graeber, David; Wengrow, David. The Dawn of Everything: A New History of Humanity (p. 537). Penguin Books Ltd. Kindle Edition.
I am just wondering if Desmet wants everyone still exsiting to be like Rousseau. You see they are heavily socially invested in collectively fighting covid and I don't see how they can see their way out without some sort of saviour, who obviously won't be from the oligarchs.
Does Desmet deal with a cause of a suicidal tendency being enforced seperation from friends? is he saying people want to be forcibly separated so as to immerse in suicidal ideation natural tendency?
Come on Breggin stop it.
Good palliative care workers know people stop asking to die when pain and friendship needs are met
My friend may have had a hunch aboout the vaccine. Would you step up and help her pay her rent, so being a real Desmet supporter. Or are you gutless sounding off?
And Google being a vaccine-investing company is going to suppress him. Thank goodness for the Class Action against Google in Quebec where companies have the same responsibilities forced on the as governments. How do you think the little people in other countries can get the main news media to release info adverse to those companies? They don't even know hey don't know so Desmet is vile to blame them.
Or maybe Desmet is not blaming them. The blame may be coming from another mass formation many of you who think you are his supporters are embroiled in. Bashing people. Step in Breggin.
A friend of mine works in Palliative medicine, He says the quality, innovation and investment into palliative care for people was visibly and adversely affeted by the offer of assisted suicide. He gave specific examples. I should get in touch with him anyway. He was seriously vaccine injured. They required him to take the poisin shot if they were to allow him to... not participate in killing his patients. [A decision which was not good for his career.]
The notion that the average person is as pure and innocent as a new born lamb can't survive the first serious conversation with an "average" person. Either Breggin's never actually talked to normal people or he's got some agenda to push.
OK. here's the deal worker, everyone is getting a new vaccine. It's very safe but we have to still label it as experminetal. You can go for an exemption of which hardly any are given or refuse but you'll lose your long term exmploiyment and ability to pay for your house. Make your choice. I'll choose Breggin.
But according to your "choice", the workers employer (the one who actually makes him lose his job) is just another very poor victim of extremely bad elites. Who has no choice at all because these elites are all so powerfull. And the employer should be absolved therefore. In fact there are millions or even billions of collaborating masses, who were the ones that made the movement just work fine. Mattias Desmet does NOT excuse the collaborators. Because he notes, in spite of mass formation, there is still such a thing as individual guilt. In my opinion if somebody is distracting attention here, it is not Desmet. Of course there are conspiracies. And alway will be. But after a close look on certain "philanthropists", simple greed and greedy ideological idiocy (probably also as a part of mass formation) should NEVER be underestimated.
Apart from the past: Who is (consciously or unconsciously) agitating a next possible mass, the self-righteous “freedom fighters”?
So, I would like to understand what you really think, Mr Desmet. Am I suicidal? Am I not? Or am I suicidal only if I am in a suicidal society?
I've never fully understood when people speaking about 'the society' or blaming 'the society' for whatsoever are including themselves in that society or if they are external observers, not affected at all by what they attribute to 'the society' they don't belong to.
This would be nice to understand. To know if you are part of this society an thus, well, suicidal.
Societal standards and improvement of standards of living have arisen fron unions - people banding together to overthrowthe horrific power of olgarchs. Without unions you and I would not be free to be communicating like this today. We would still be in the slavery of 150 years ago London of the time.
Unions came about with good intent, but for anyone discerning the war for global power, they very obviously have been compromised and captured by the same unelected foreign entities as have our governments. Unions, universities, lobby groups and corporations are now select participants in the tight circle of international public-private partnerships which have replaced the voice of the people in government consultations. Except, they have come off their original tracks, following money bags. This is not a battle between blue vs red, or left vs right - and never has been if you could look beyond your goldfish bowl.
I imagine you would agree with Solzhenitsyn: “If only it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?”
I go along with; The Most Common Way People Give Up Their Power Is By Thinking They Don't Have Any - Alice Walker
At the same time there are sociopaths and psychopaths among the elites that have been creating chaos and wars for millennium to increase their power and control while most people of every culture and ethnic group mainly desire to raise their children and survive with a modest amount of dignity.
At times even Empires do good. Stopping the Celts in Gaul from fighting each other, a basic rule of law for most everybody, and using surplus wealth created for infrastructure like good roads and aqueducts made the day to day easier. Then corruption and increasing concentration of power made life worse except for those at the top. This same pattern obvious today.
I have not found anything wrong with what Malone says about the mRNA jab now. I did notice that although he had worked on creating the technology, he had to get ill after taking two shots to notice anything wrong. Divide and Conquer is a basic method of the elites (especially the British Empire) use against us because there is always many more of us than them. Actions like the lawsuit against the Breggins certainly fits that.
OMG, not again! I read the comments, why does the rhetoric from Dr. Breggin sound so harsh and critical? We need public debate, make it worth paying for, people are hungry for more than question and answer conversations on podcasts. Someone will start a site at some point, pay per view, to hear great debates. Asking people to think critically is not victim blaming. During covid there were victims, those who had to choose between feeding their kids, shelter or the clot shot. But there were millions who had the option. And, how about all the parents who offered up their kids, if they didn't it would not have affected their pocketbook? Lots of super wealthy celebs could have foregone the shots, and still continued with their lavish lifestyles. Many jobs did not mandate the shots. People in those instances failed to think for themselves. Yes, there is a move toward totalitarianism by the WEF/WHO/GATES/FINANCIAL SECTOR etc....and of course we are all being victimized by the direction toward tyranny and a one world government. If all parents had refused the shot for their kids, the tactic would have failed. If people protested remaining in the WHO, the government would have to withdraw. Matthias don't stop writing! It is fine that we all have differing opinions, it is not fine to mandate others adopt ours.
I watch James Corbett regularly; I love his mind. For some though the blackmail was very intense, feed your family, pay your rent by agreeing to this 'safe and effective, safe and effective, safe and effective, safe and effective vaccine.' Those people were under the gun and were victimized, they could have chosen to let their kids go hungry but what kind of choice is that?
Not one person I know who stood their ground had an easy ride with it. There always were serious consequences with every one of them. The thing is: had we stood together it would have been over in short order and ALL OF US could have returned to our lives. With a simple NO and little damages. The very choice to sell out the human bond and not stand for truth sadly cost them (and by duress those also who stood for freedom despite harassment) their health, lives, and is driving all of us ultimately over the edge. Nothing was won by them handing over their personal power in a shortsighted attempt to dodge hardship.
If everyone had refused the mandates at first, it would have necessitated having them dropped in jobs and schools. It is like stepping over the picket line and allowing the others strike for fair conditions, you just make it harder for them. I don't think people should be denied the right to take a clot shot, but if they are doing it to comply then they are handing the keys to the kingdom over, and those keys belong to all of us.
Not at all. The comparison with a union picket line is unsound. Why? There was nothing whatsoever legal about these ‘mandates’. They were entirely fraudulent. And yes, many of us refusing to have our God given liberties stolen by fraud knew this to be so early on. Because we paid attention, which is accountability to self and dependents. All now in plain view with government officials, such as Trudeau, mocking the public that these shots were never mandatory, and people lined up voluntarily. Many were duped, because they chose to not get informed, many were righteously wielding false virtues and many smelled a rat, but hoped they’d breeze by if they quietly kept their head down. I was rocked to the core by how many of those let themselves be injected with an undisclosed substance just to be able to travel instead of defending their basic rights. And asked if thousands of dead soldiers had given their lives for in past wars what now is traded for a few weeks laying on a beach. Gobsmacked.
Many are. Malone should have know his $25million case against the Breggins would fail and a lot of suffering was caused in the meantime which was cruel.
What was the catalyst though that he would pursue that? I have read castigating articles against him for his relationship with Matthias and the whole concept of mass formation psychosis, which is not psychosis or presented as such. Why was Malone targeted at all, that to me is the beginning of the feud.
Desmet was looking for a way to blame the people for their plight and Malone was supporting him. Why did I avoid having continued cancer treatment for the fear of covid the government put into me? I couldn't see through the situation till outsiders like Dr Sam Bailey came in. i am quite a thinker but couldn't see for myself. Bailey was thumped, Breggin knows outsiders have to come in to protect hypnotised people and Malone was thumping him for it.
I disagree. Desmet was outlining the dynamic of brainwashing. People are responsible for believing propaganda, it is not blaming the victim. The Breggins are entitled to disagree, but their rhetoric was very negative and focused on Dr. Malone, it was wrong. I listen to the Bailey's and again I disagree, viruses exist, I have one. There is ample proof, Jeremey Hammond wrote a good paper on his newsletter countering Tom Cowan's contagion myth theory. Hard to believe in this day and age there are people in the medical field who think contagion of a pathogen is a myth.
The belief that people are merely victims who lack responsibility for their actions is currently being played out in multiple areas of society with poor results. If there is indeed an elite cabal, academics like Dr. Breggin who perpetuate this fallacy of victimhood are their accomplices.
I don't think it is a fallacy that some members of society are victimized. It just is not that black and white. I think it was a fallacy that everyone 'had' to take the clot shot, because many simply did not. If you went to the hospital with covid you became a victim of protocols that were killing people. The doctors who realized this, went along to get along, I guess it was worth it to let people die in order to keep your job. Terrible atrocities occurred, due to the coordinated effort at the top to get the shots into everyone's arm. But, that does not mean we don't have a responsibility to band together and do the right thing.
I stood many days outside with others holding banners, thousands of cars saw. There were activists' groups in several parts of the city, if people wanted to know they could have found out, it was easier to let others think for them. I warned my family over and over, fell on deaf ears. They chose to believe the propaganda even when presented with another point of view. I truly believe if mainstream media came out with the truth, the majority would then change their minds.
I am automatically onside with you Dr. J giving you the benefit of the doubt from the "get go' because of who and what you are which is an assorted dynamic of a special woman that beggars description. You can count on my whole hearted support and if the time ever comes where
'I gotta go, I'll go down swinging." (song by Porter Wagoner)
If you are married it is not my purpose to create discomfort, in fact, I would applaud him in his choice of a woman of excellence. But I do marvel at you and the substance of your character and what I know is that you know that.
This is the softer side of me but I do have a very rough and hard side briefly described as being intolerant of stupidity and wokist wankerists choosing excrement for brains and lolly gaggling around groups that have lost their way. I must remember they are victims.
Keep on keeping on lovely, intelligent real woman. I am not the only one whose breath you take away. I am under full control but do find myself awed by real women of which you are one.
Ad mare usque ad mare. (I think it goes that way but I am sure you get it.)
i find my self struggling to express my respect for your invitation and the grace with which you extended it. in part because you are a rare person who is saying the same thing i am. we are the problem and that is great because that means we are the solution too! no victim bs: as has been pointed out in the yoga world, no blame no complain! that's it. i have met the enemy, it is me. period.
in a fascinating interview of british mp alex story by jordon peterson the root and prevalence of the ideology of eugenics is well established. the eugenicists would not have been as successful in their killing campaigns of the undeserving, however they are defined by the current set of moralist ideologies — old most useless meat eaters — if a significant majority of the members of the mass did not unconsciously support it. our society supported it. the willingness for the majority of the society to effectively stand by while the genocide of the senescent was happening would not have happened, imo, if the idea of a deservedness (eugenical ideology) didn't exist in our unconscious and/or dimly conscious parts of ourselves as we see enacted in social behaviours, structures and institutions.
how? storey describes how every person he met asked him if he would have aborted his downs son if he had known of the condition before his birth. why the question? at their heart the askers were eugenicists! and **everyone** asked. this is an important video: "Eugenics: Flawed Thinking Behind Pushed Science | Alex Story | EP 294" https://youtu.be/ZAaY0gbis4s
that is where our collective shadow lies. it isn't blaming the victim it is to see what is there.
from years ago a hexagram from the i ching has helped me through the years (and maybe helped me see through the convid from the very start) in 2019.
When we are faced with an obstacle that is to be overcome, weakness and impatience can do nothing. Strong individuals stand up to their fate, for their inner security enables them to endure to the end. This strength shows itself in uncompromising truthfulness with themselves. It is only when we have the courage to face things, others and ourselves exactly as they are, without any sort of self deception or illusion, that the light will develop out of events by which the path to success may be recognised.
I Ching 5 Hsu / Waiting (Nourishment) p.25 Baynes/Wilhelm my paraphrase.
thank you
note: you were an early inspiration for me and i included your important ideas of mass formation in a series of substack essay i did on 'obedience to authority'. again, muchas gracias.
i approach this age of our apocalypse as one that requires enough calmness to be able to see clearly, perhaps only slightly less difficult than being still enough to actually listen. to whatever extent we looking for truth engage in trash talk we are supporting the ptb and even energising their energy that wants to solve the (untenable) arguments around climate change and overpopulation by killing us.
so... calmness is the energy-way out of this mess. at this point i am deeply suspicious of what malone is doing and of course have no real idea why. and i'm certainly puzzled by some of the stuff that the breggins wrote. and yet... calmness please, and to listen.
What is Malone doing to incite suspicion? You said you can't put your finger on it already though. He is smart, but not a perfect person. He has been decimated on mainstream media for speaking out, and I think he is angry and reactive.
yes, that is an interesting example. and i agree that he may very well be angry at how the msm treated him. and so why sue the breggins and not those who are in positions of power? that is a significant cognitive dissonance for me in that it doesn't really make sense from any way i can consider sensible.
for myself, i've neither been an active fan or a critic of malone. at no time have my own interests drawn me to him. he doesn't interest me for whatever reason. (well, in part because it may be that i am doing my best not to hero-worship or blame-complain scapegoats.) my interests bring me in contact with critics and defenders of him — mostly critics to be honest — and i at this point reserve judgement in the face of the pro and con evidence. another suspicion i have is him being an advocate for something he will benefit from when, imo, that structure is flawed and part and parcel of the convid roll out as deliberately setting the conditions for mass formation and with that death camps. (trudeau in canada was initiating their build before the truckers interfered with that). so, if we want malone to be a 'hero' — i don't — then it would be a stronger position, imo, to stop arguing the fear porn that created this huge social and economic disruption and death and stop defending an inherently flawed system that is inherently self corrupting. finally, i have come to the opinion (my opinion) that virus fear porn is a psyop designed to keep people hurting their health with being afraid of life and hurting themselves with unnecessary allopathic prophylactics that have some pretty negative health consequences. to whatever extent all cause mortality rates are trustworthy, they are uniform across the jabbed world and the common cause is... mrna 'technology'.
i mention the breggins specifically here in part because that is the subject of this post and because perhaps you have something i don't know about why he sued them for defamation when, from the evidence that was likely true given how his case was quickly dismissed, there didn't seem to be defamation and why such a crazy amount? he was not calm and so disengaged from respectable conversation and resorted to unnecessary bully behaviour. did the breggins touch his trigger point with their criticism? were the breggins likewise not calm and bullying? i have no real interest or time to pursue adults pissing on each other in yard, so i don't known nor care. however, it seems that the breggins are now similarly behaving without equanimity. i am less aware of the extant of that beyond the smell of it here. they are also not on my direct radar and so i have only a tangential awareness of them.
by this request, or even plea, perhaps, desmet is looking to create a space for a calm exchange of ideas and if necessary, a calming of hurt feelings in order to move us out of wizard of oz gaslighting flying at us from every direction muddied with immature blame-complain tantrums that certainly not advancing clarity.
to whatever extent the malones and breggins immaturely bully themselves and others, within or without the so-called mfm, we are helping the oligarchs spinning the wizards spells. desment's path of mature interaction is the prophylactic to ward off the next time the fear porn beaters look across the earth to see how many people can be herded into injection sites and voluntarily inject an unknown, untested, something against a flu because fear-addled brains decided to trust big pharm and their government mouthpieces.
fascinating times when it is likely critically important that we stop setting up the conditions for mass formation with the psychological manipulations of hero-worship and scapegoating.
all the best, with what is changing.
p.s.: if curious about my argument around 'obedience to authority', you can find it here: Obedience to Authority: An Exploration, Part I: On 'Mass Formation', Woke and Corporatist News: Saviour from What? NOV 27, 2022 https://gduperreault.substack.com/p/obedience-to-authority-a-rumination
Guy: the Breggins object to the term 'mass formation psychosis' put forth by Matthias. They did blame Dr. Malone for supporting the concept. They were extremely critical and negative toward Dr. Malone, and also undermined Matthias Desmet's professional stature. They misunderstood the point and took it as a victim-blaming stance. It is not, the book is discussing the elements that lead to mass brainwashing. If 60% of people 'thought for themselves' the brainwashing would lose traction, even in the more vulnerable members of society. My guess is that the lawsuit asked for an outrageous amount, knowing it would be thrown out, but the point was made, stop harassing me. Dr. Malone did not stand to gain from mRNA vaccines, where in the hell did you get that idea? He worked on them years ago, but that project ended, and others continued with the technology. Do some research on his professional background and you will understand. He has an excellent sub stack, and you can read his articles for free, they are so educational. Also, I don't see 'hero' entering the picture at all, weak people may look for heroes and they will be disappointed because humans are flawed, and not mini Thors. My attraction to Dr. Malone is based on his service to us all, and the information he shares in a way that a lay person should be able to understand. He bridges the gap between the language and difficult concepts of science and someone who knows little to nothing about biology. There are not many scientists or doctors out there that are doing this, Dr. Peter McCullough is also filling the gap. So, more than just standing up, Dr. Malone and Dr. McCullough are educating the public, at least the ones that do not wish to remain ignorant.
i am glad you find value with malone, mccullough, desmet. i've spent time to great effect with the last two for sure. and i wrote about desmet's idea of mass formation in my own substack. his idea explains a lot and from that i was able to look more deeply at the roots of mass formation being obedience to authority. (you may find it interesting.)
when my intuition directs me to invest time with malone, i will. for now, my intuition hasn't. and in recent months my value search radar has gone into slightly different directions. primarily focused on 'spiritual' stuff around the importance of taking personal responsibility, stop blaming-complaining and to see how our own shadows are the real problem. i'm digging deep into the roots of catholicism(christianity) as narcissistic gaslighting, the roots of obedience to authority and the success of mass formation being the unconsciousness in most of their being a deserving and with it the undeserving, our use of bully language to keep the oligarch's alive and how to change that, how amost everyone in our society is an unconscious closet eugenicist, debunking new age delusion, and most recently i deconstructed reason as superstition and morals as reason's drug-like enabler pusher and why we take great pleasure in killing all those undeservings! this came home when i chose to not keep my job with the jab and became an undeserving in canada. before i left i was tangibly afraid that my actions had flagged me as a danger to the deserving and i would be facing time in a concentration camp or forced injection sites. i left before the truckers came in and disrupted those plans.
thank you for your thoughtful reply. it helps me to see more clearly some of the nuance of this changing time.
all the best with what is changing — everything changes, with peace, respect, love and gratitude.
Dr. Breggin has some very fixed ideas, some of them very good ones. But for someone who claims to understand the human psyche, he is not very wise. I love that he is eliciting from you, Mattias, more and more beautiful essays like the one, above. Really, you are outlining a way to to progress beyond the divisions into which we, the propagandized masses (yes, it's US!) have fallen. Thank you for your kindness and for your awareness, which I feel is of the next order of human evolution. Many people sense this, and you are leading the way. Blessed are the peacemakers. And thank you, Mattias. Many, many thanks.
I was on a commentary, and it was very critical of Dr. Malone regarding the whole inflammatory situation between himself and the Breggins. My head is spinning.
No one is replying to me now. It was mainly only Skita before.
I have started to read the recommended book: "Rousseau himself had fled home at an early age, writing to his Swiss watchmaker father that he aspired to live ‘without the help of others’."
Graeber, David; Wengrow, David. The Dawn of Everything: A New History of Humanity (p. 537). Penguin Books Ltd. Kindle Edition.
I am just wondering if Desmet wants everyone still exsiting to be like Rousseau. You see they are heavily socially invested in collectively fighting covid and I don't see how they can see their way out without some sort of saviour, who obviously won't be from the oligarchs.
Does Desmet deal with a cause of a suicidal tendency being enforced seperation from friends? is he saying people want to be forcibly separated so as to immerse in suicidal ideation natural tendency?
Come on Breggin stop it.
Good palliative care workers know people stop asking to die when pain and friendship needs are met
These people just think they are being strongly urged to help everyone. There needs to be someone like Breggin to step in and tell them the truth.
My friend may have had a hunch aboout the vaccine. Would you step up and help her pay her rent, so being a real Desmet supporter. Or are you gutless sounding off?
And Google being a vaccine-investing company is going to suppress him. Thank goodness for the Class Action against Google in Quebec where companies have the same responsibilities forced on the as governments. How do you think the little people in other countries can get the main news media to release info adverse to those companies? They don't even know hey don't know so Desmet is vile to blame them.
Or maybe Desmet is not blaming them. The blame may be coming from another mass formation many of you who think you are his supporters are embroiled in. Bashing people. Step in Breggin.
A friend of mine works in Palliative medicine, He says the quality, innovation and investment into palliative care for people was visibly and adversely affeted by the offer of assisted suicide. He gave specific examples. I should get in touch with him anyway. He was seriously vaccine injured. They required him to take the poisin shot if they were to allow him to... not participate in killing his patients. [A decision which was not good for his career.]
The notion that the average person is as pure and innocent as a new born lamb can't survive the first serious conversation with an "average" person. Either Breggin's never actually talked to normal people or he's got some agenda to push.
You two DEFINITELY have much in common! I can see y’all working well together
OK. here's the deal worker, everyone is getting a new vaccine. It's very safe but we have to still label it as experminetal. You can go for an exemption of which hardly any are given or refuse but you'll lose your long term exmploiyment and ability to pay for your house. Make your choice. I'll choose Breggin.
But according to your "choice", the workers employer (the one who actually makes him lose his job) is just another very poor victim of extremely bad elites. Who has no choice at all because these elites are all so powerfull. And the employer should be absolved therefore. In fact there are millions or even billions of collaborating masses, who were the ones that made the movement just work fine. Mattias Desmet does NOT excuse the collaborators. Because he notes, in spite of mass formation, there is still such a thing as individual guilt. In my opinion if somebody is distracting attention here, it is not Desmet. Of course there are conspiracies. And alway will be. But after a close look on certain "philanthropists", simple greed and greedy ideological idiocy (probably also as a part of mass formation) should NEVER be underestimated.
Apart from the past: Who is (consciously or unconsciously) agitating a next possible mass, the self-righteous “freedom fighters”?
So, I would like to understand what you really think, Mr Desmet. Am I suicidal? Am I not? Or am I suicidal only if I am in a suicidal society?
I've never fully understood when people speaking about 'the society' or blaming 'the society' for whatsoever are including themselves in that society or if they are external observers, not affected at all by what they attribute to 'the society' they don't belong to.
This would be nice to understand. To know if you are part of this society an thus, well, suicidal.
Lets talk.
Hope he accepts and come to the table not with an axe but with a glass of wine. As Dr Malone says, let's stop the firing squads.
No not wine.. Keep bright away from it. And work out a plan for the ordinary people to be shielded from high power propaganda.
I think Desmet to be extreme right wing.
Societal standards and improvement of standards of living have arisen fron unions - people banding together to overthrowthe horrific power of olgarchs. Without unions you and I would not be free to be communicating like this today. We would still be in the slavery of 150 years ago London of the time.
Unions came about with good intent, but for anyone discerning the war for global power, they very obviously have been compromised and captured by the same unelected foreign entities as have our governments. Unions, universities, lobby groups and corporations are now select participants in the tight circle of international public-private partnerships which have replaced the voice of the people in government consultations. Except, they have come off their original tracks, following money bags. This is not a battle between blue vs red, or left vs right - and never has been if you could look beyond your goldfish bowl.
I imagine you would agree with Solzhenitsyn: “If only it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?”
I go along with; The Most Common Way People Give Up Their Power Is By Thinking They Don't Have Any - Alice Walker
At the same time there are sociopaths and psychopaths among the elites that have been creating chaos and wars for millennium to increase their power and control while most people of every culture and ethnic group mainly desire to raise their children and survive with a modest amount of dignity.
At times even Empires do good. Stopping the Celts in Gaul from fighting each other, a basic rule of law for most everybody, and using surplus wealth created for infrastructure like good roads and aqueducts made the day to day easier. Then corruption and increasing concentration of power made life worse except for those at the top. This same pattern obvious today.
I have not found anything wrong with what Malone says about the mRNA jab now. I did notice that although he had worked on creating the technology, he had to get ill after taking two shots to notice anything wrong. Divide and Conquer is a basic method of the elites (especially the British Empire) use against us because there is always many more of us than them. Actions like the lawsuit against the Breggins certainly fits that.
Extreme stupifity trying to polarise people. We need unions to bring oligarchs anf workers together to benefit all.
OMG, not again! I read the comments, why does the rhetoric from Dr. Breggin sound so harsh and critical? We need public debate, make it worth paying for, people are hungry for more than question and answer conversations on podcasts. Someone will start a site at some point, pay per view, to hear great debates. Asking people to think critically is not victim blaming. During covid there were victims, those who had to choose between feeding their kids, shelter or the clot shot. But there were millions who had the option. And, how about all the parents who offered up their kids, if they didn't it would not have affected their pocketbook? Lots of super wealthy celebs could have foregone the shots, and still continued with their lavish lifestyles. Many jobs did not mandate the shots. People in those instances failed to think for themselves. Yes, there is a move toward totalitarianism by the WEF/WHO/GATES/FINANCIAL SECTOR etc....and of course we are all being victimized by the direction toward tyranny and a one world government. If all parents had refused the shot for their kids, the tactic would have failed. If people protested remaining in the WHO, the government would have to withdraw. Matthias don't stop writing! It is fine that we all have differing opinions, it is not fine to mandate others adopt ours.
Everyone has (had) an option.
It is you who decides to follow the blackmail or not.
You are your own and only stakeholder. Watch James Corbett for this, he explains it much better than I'll ever do!
I watch James Corbett regularly; I love his mind. For some though the blackmail was very intense, feed your family, pay your rent by agreeing to this 'safe and effective, safe and effective, safe and effective, safe and effective vaccine.' Those people were under the gun and were victimized, they could have chosen to let their kids go hungry but what kind of choice is that?
Not one person I know who stood their ground had an easy ride with it. There always were serious consequences with every one of them. The thing is: had we stood together it would have been over in short order and ALL OF US could have returned to our lives. With a simple NO and little damages. The very choice to sell out the human bond and not stand for truth sadly cost them (and by duress those also who stood for freedom despite harassment) their health, lives, and is driving all of us ultimately over the edge. Nothing was won by them handing over their personal power in a shortsighted attempt to dodge hardship.
If everyone had refused the mandates at first, it would have necessitated having them dropped in jobs and schools. It is like stepping over the picket line and allowing the others strike for fair conditions, you just make it harder for them. I don't think people should be denied the right to take a clot shot, but if they are doing it to comply then they are handing the keys to the kingdom over, and those keys belong to all of us.
Not at all. The comparison with a union picket line is unsound. Why? There was nothing whatsoever legal about these ‘mandates’. They were entirely fraudulent. And yes, many of us refusing to have our God given liberties stolen by fraud knew this to be so early on. Because we paid attention, which is accountability to self and dependents. All now in plain view with government officials, such as Trudeau, mocking the public that these shots were never mandatory, and people lined up voluntarily. Many were duped, because they chose to not get informed, many were righteously wielding false virtues and many smelled a rat, but hoped they’d breeze by if they quietly kept their head down. I was rocked to the core by how many of those let themselves be injected with an undisclosed substance just to be able to travel instead of defending their basic rights. And asked if thousands of dead soldiers had given their lives for in past wars what now is traded for a few weeks laying on a beach. Gobsmacked.
Breggin sounds harsh as he defends the people from the beyond cruel oligarchs.
Dr. Malone is not a cruel oligarch.
Many are. Malone should have know his $25million case against the Breggins would fail and a lot of suffering was caused in the meantime which was cruel.
What was the catalyst though that he would pursue that? I have read castigating articles against him for his relationship with Matthias and the whole concept of mass formation psychosis, which is not psychosis or presented as such. Why was Malone targeted at all, that to me is the beginning of the feud.
Desmet was looking for a way to blame the people for their plight and Malone was supporting him. Why did I avoid having continued cancer treatment for the fear of covid the government put into me? I couldn't see through the situation till outsiders like Dr Sam Bailey came in. i am quite a thinker but couldn't see for myself. Bailey was thumped, Breggin knows outsiders have to come in to protect hypnotised people and Malone was thumping him for it.
I disagree. Desmet was outlining the dynamic of brainwashing. People are responsible for believing propaganda, it is not blaming the victim. The Breggins are entitled to disagree, but their rhetoric was very negative and focused on Dr. Malone, it was wrong. I listen to the Bailey's and again I disagree, viruses exist, I have one. There is ample proof, Jeremey Hammond wrote a good paper on his newsletter countering Tom Cowan's contagion myth theory. Hard to believe in this day and age there are people in the medical field who think contagion of a pathogen is a myth.
The belief that people are merely victims who lack responsibility for their actions is currently being played out in multiple areas of society with poor results. If there is indeed an elite cabal, academics like Dr. Breggin who perpetuate this fallacy of victimhood are their accomplices.
Breggin has been exposing and working aganst the victimhood his whole life. He is no accomplice. Especially working in the courts.
I don't think it is a fallacy that some members of society are victimized. It just is not that black and white. I think it was a fallacy that everyone 'had' to take the clot shot, because many simply did not. If you went to the hospital with covid you became a victim of protocols that were killing people. The doctors who realized this, went along to get along, I guess it was worth it to let people die in order to keep your job. Terrible atrocities occurred, due to the coordinated effort at the top to get the shots into everyone's arm. But, that does not mean we don't have a responsibility to band together and do the right thing.
People who were sharing the truth were being silenced so there could not be banding together.
I stood many days outside with others holding banners, thousands of cars saw. There were activists' groups in several parts of the city, if people wanted to know they could have found out, it was easier to let others think for them. I warned my family over and over, fell on deaf ears. They chose to believe the propaganda even when presented with another point of view. I truly believe if mainstream media came out with the truth, the majority would then change their minds.
I am automatically onside with you Dr. J giving you the benefit of the doubt from the "get go' because of who and what you are which is an assorted dynamic of a special woman that beggars description. You can count on my whole hearted support and if the time ever comes where
'I gotta go, I'll go down swinging." (song by Porter Wagoner)
If you are married it is not my purpose to create discomfort, in fact, I would applaud him in his choice of a woman of excellence. But I do marvel at you and the substance of your character and what I know is that you know that.
This is the softer side of me but I do have a very rough and hard side briefly described as being intolerant of stupidity and wokist wankerists choosing excrement for brains and lolly gaggling around groups that have lost their way. I must remember they are victims.
Keep on keeping on lovely, intelligent real woman. I am not the only one whose breath you take away. I am under full control but do find myself awed by real women of which you are one.
Ad mare usque ad mare. (I think it goes that way but I am sure you get it.)
hola, mattias.
i find my self struggling to express my respect for your invitation and the grace with which you extended it. in part because you are a rare person who is saying the same thing i am. we are the problem and that is great because that means we are the solution too! no victim bs: as has been pointed out in the yoga world, no blame no complain! that's it. i have met the enemy, it is me. period.
in a fascinating interview of british mp alex story by jordon peterson the root and prevalence of the ideology of eugenics is well established. the eugenicists would not have been as successful in their killing campaigns of the undeserving, however they are defined by the current set of moralist ideologies — old most useless meat eaters — if a significant majority of the members of the mass did not unconsciously support it. our society supported it. the willingness for the majority of the society to effectively stand by while the genocide of the senescent was happening would not have happened, imo, if the idea of a deservedness (eugenical ideology) didn't exist in our unconscious and/or dimly conscious parts of ourselves as we see enacted in social behaviours, structures and institutions.
how? storey describes how every person he met asked him if he would have aborted his downs son if he had known of the condition before his birth. why the question? at their heart the askers were eugenicists! and **everyone** asked. this is an important video: "Eugenics: Flawed Thinking Behind Pushed Science | Alex Story | EP 294" https://youtu.be/ZAaY0gbis4s
that is where our collective shadow lies. it isn't blaming the victim it is to see what is there.
from years ago a hexagram from the i ching has helped me through the years (and maybe helped me see through the convid from the very start) in 2019.
When we are faced with an obstacle that is to be overcome, weakness and impatience can do nothing. Strong individuals stand up to their fate, for their inner security enables them to endure to the end. This strength shows itself in uncompromising truthfulness with themselves. It is only when we have the courage to face things, others and ourselves exactly as they are, without any sort of self deception or illusion, that the light will develop out of events by which the path to success may be recognised.
I Ching 5 Hsu / Waiting (Nourishment) p.25 Baynes/Wilhelm my paraphrase.
thank you
note: you were an early inspiration for me and i included your important ideas of mass formation in a series of substack essay i did on 'obedience to authority'. again, muchas gracias.
Gee, it is refreshing to read positive comments. The comments against Dr. Malone and the Dr. Breggin debacle are super harsh to read.
thank you rita.
i approach this age of our apocalypse as one that requires enough calmness to be able to see clearly, perhaps only slightly less difficult than being still enough to actually listen. to whatever extent we looking for truth engage in trash talk we are supporting the ptb and even energising their energy that wants to solve the (untenable) arguments around climate change and overpopulation by killing us.
so... calmness is the energy-way out of this mess. at this point i am deeply suspicious of what malone is doing and of course have no real idea why. and i'm certainly puzzled by some of the stuff that the breggins wrote. and yet... calmness please, and to listen.
What is Malone doing to incite suspicion? You said you can't put your finger on it already though. He is smart, but not a perfect person. He has been decimated on mainstream media for speaking out, and I think he is angry and reactive.
yes, that is an interesting example. and i agree that he may very well be angry at how the msm treated him. and so why sue the breggins and not those who are in positions of power? that is a significant cognitive dissonance for me in that it doesn't really make sense from any way i can consider sensible.
for myself, i've neither been an active fan or a critic of malone. at no time have my own interests drawn me to him. he doesn't interest me for whatever reason. (well, in part because it may be that i am doing my best not to hero-worship or blame-complain scapegoats.) my interests bring me in contact with critics and defenders of him — mostly critics to be honest — and i at this point reserve judgement in the face of the pro and con evidence. another suspicion i have is him being an advocate for something he will benefit from when, imo, that structure is flawed and part and parcel of the convid roll out as deliberately setting the conditions for mass formation and with that death camps. (trudeau in canada was initiating their build before the truckers interfered with that). so, if we want malone to be a 'hero' — i don't — then it would be a stronger position, imo, to stop arguing the fear porn that created this huge social and economic disruption and death and stop defending an inherently flawed system that is inherently self corrupting. finally, i have come to the opinion (my opinion) that virus fear porn is a psyop designed to keep people hurting their health with being afraid of life and hurting themselves with unnecessary allopathic prophylactics that have some pretty negative health consequences. to whatever extent all cause mortality rates are trustworthy, they are uniform across the jabbed world and the common cause is... mrna 'technology'.
i mention the breggins specifically here in part because that is the subject of this post and because perhaps you have something i don't know about why he sued them for defamation when, from the evidence that was likely true given how his case was quickly dismissed, there didn't seem to be defamation and why such a crazy amount? he was not calm and so disengaged from respectable conversation and resorted to unnecessary bully behaviour. did the breggins touch his trigger point with their criticism? were the breggins likewise not calm and bullying? i have no real interest or time to pursue adults pissing on each other in yard, so i don't known nor care. however, it seems that the breggins are now similarly behaving without equanimity. i am less aware of the extant of that beyond the smell of it here. they are also not on my direct radar and so i have only a tangential awareness of them.
by this request, or even plea, perhaps, desmet is looking to create a space for a calm exchange of ideas and if necessary, a calming of hurt feelings in order to move us out of wizard of oz gaslighting flying at us from every direction muddied with immature blame-complain tantrums that certainly not advancing clarity.
to whatever extent the malones and breggins immaturely bully themselves and others, within or without the so-called mfm, we are helping the oligarchs spinning the wizards spells. desment's path of mature interaction is the prophylactic to ward off the next time the fear porn beaters look across the earth to see how many people can be herded into injection sites and voluntarily inject an unknown, untested, something against a flu because fear-addled brains decided to trust big pharm and their government mouthpieces.
fascinating times when it is likely critically important that we stop setting up the conditions for mass formation with the psychological manipulations of hero-worship and scapegoating.
all the best, with what is changing.
p.s.: if curious about my argument around 'obedience to authority', you can find it here: Obedience to Authority: An Exploration, Part I: On 'Mass Formation', Woke and Corporatist News: Saviour from What? NOV 27, 2022 https://gduperreault.substack.com/p/obedience-to-authority-a-rumination
Guy: the Breggins object to the term 'mass formation psychosis' put forth by Matthias. They did blame Dr. Malone for supporting the concept. They were extremely critical and negative toward Dr. Malone, and also undermined Matthias Desmet's professional stature. They misunderstood the point and took it as a victim-blaming stance. It is not, the book is discussing the elements that lead to mass brainwashing. If 60% of people 'thought for themselves' the brainwashing would lose traction, even in the more vulnerable members of society. My guess is that the lawsuit asked for an outrageous amount, knowing it would be thrown out, but the point was made, stop harassing me. Dr. Malone did not stand to gain from mRNA vaccines, where in the hell did you get that idea? He worked on them years ago, but that project ended, and others continued with the technology. Do some research on his professional background and you will understand. He has an excellent sub stack, and you can read his articles for free, they are so educational. Also, I don't see 'hero' entering the picture at all, weak people may look for heroes and they will be disappointed because humans are flawed, and not mini Thors. My attraction to Dr. Malone is based on his service to us all, and the information he shares in a way that a lay person should be able to understand. He bridges the gap between the language and difficult concepts of science and someone who knows little to nothing about biology. There are not many scientists or doctors out there that are doing this, Dr. Peter McCullough is also filling the gap. So, more than just standing up, Dr. Malone and Dr. McCullough are educating the public, at least the ones that do not wish to remain ignorant.
thank you.
i am glad you find value with malone, mccullough, desmet. i've spent time to great effect with the last two for sure. and i wrote about desmet's idea of mass formation in my own substack. his idea explains a lot and from that i was able to look more deeply at the roots of mass formation being obedience to authority. (you may find it interesting.)
when my intuition directs me to invest time with malone, i will. for now, my intuition hasn't. and in recent months my value search radar has gone into slightly different directions. primarily focused on 'spiritual' stuff around the importance of taking personal responsibility, stop blaming-complaining and to see how our own shadows are the real problem. i'm digging deep into the roots of catholicism(christianity) as narcissistic gaslighting, the roots of obedience to authority and the success of mass formation being the unconsciousness in most of their being a deserving and with it the undeserving, our use of bully language to keep the oligarch's alive and how to change that, how amost everyone in our society is an unconscious closet eugenicist, debunking new age delusion, and most recently i deconstructed reason as superstition and morals as reason's drug-like enabler pusher and why we take great pleasure in killing all those undeservings! this came home when i chose to not keep my job with the jab and became an undeserving in canada. before i left i was tangibly afraid that my actions had flagged me as a danger to the deserving and i would be facing time in a concentration camp or forced injection sites. i left before the truckers came in and disrupted those plans.
thank you for your thoughtful reply. it helps me to see more clearly some of the nuance of this changing time.
all the best with what is changing — everything changes, with peace, respect, love and gratitude.
"you are a rare person "
You got that right Guy. Rare as in special. But be careful in what "authority" you submit yourself to.
yes, k.
and i am taking care. gracias.
Finally - an adult appears! lol
Dr. Breggin has some very fixed ideas, some of them very good ones. But for someone who claims to understand the human psyche, he is not very wise. I love that he is eliciting from you, Mattias, more and more beautiful essays like the one, above. Really, you are outlining a way to to progress beyond the divisions into which we, the propagandized masses (yes, it's US!) have fallen. Thank you for your kindness and for your awareness, which I feel is of the next order of human evolution. Many people sense this, and you are leading the way. Blessed are the peacemakers. And thank you, Mattias. Many, many thanks.
What kindness has Desmet to expect imcompetent people to look after themselves?
I was on a commentary, and it was very critical of Dr. Malone regarding the whole inflammatory situation between himself and the Breggins. My head is spinning.